My third and final submission to the discussion that ensued from the article I circulated a while back and the continual thinking I have done on the matter is going to be what I call “the wild card”
Too often our debate about our corporate worship experience between those who are for it and those who are against it happens within the context of a predominantly Canadian-thinking culture. I use “Canadian-thinking” with reference to 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on, generations of Canadians that are representative of the dominant social culture regardless (somewhat) of the individual ethnic heritage.
However as a person that identifies more with immigrants because I myself am one and has become very much aware of the changing demographics of society, I think that our debate has to take into account the fact that with the sustained and continued increase of immigrants in Canada, the debate about who we seek to influence as a church has to take on a completely different tone.
Pastor Mark will tell you that a significant portion of the growth of Woodvale has been through people that have recently immigrated to Canada. Woodvale is not just multi-generational; it is a truly multicultural church and even though we have had a historically homogeneous sound and worship experience, we have to, in humility, recognize that the various cultures and ethnic groups in our church have been gracious in their expression of appreciation for what we do to facilitate worship… but if you talk to them and get below the gracious expression of appreciation, you’ll find that for the most part they seek an even more passionate and exuberant worship experience than what we currently offer.
You’ll find that they seek a worship encounter that pays tribute to more than one cultural heritage… but most of all, you’ll be surprised to find that the ones that come through our doors that are not even Christian are not freaked out by our worship services as we might think they are. The dancing grandma at the front of the church does not bother them because many come from a culture where dance is part of worship. The babbling in strange languages does not bother them because there are many languages of this world that sound like unintelligible babbling and exposure to many languages makes you less prone to being freaked out when somebody starts doing it seated next to you. Most English speakers do not realize that English sounds absolutely strange (meaningless bable if you will) to somebody that does not speak or understand it. Because I have made it my business to seek this information out, I can say with growing certainty that you will find just as I have found that they are more open to debate, explanation and even a second visit.
Consider also, that the student enrolment (in primary, secondary and tertiary institutions) has an ever-increasing population of immigrants or children of immigrants living in a largely immigrant community in the city. Or that the recent explosion of growth in the suburbs is driven partly by the demand for houses by recently immigrated families.
Last summer, I got to visit a church called “The Meeting House” that is a growing church in the GTA and recently planted a location in Ottawa. Instead of having their usual speaker Bruxy give the message, they had an interview with a gentleman called Jay Smith who lives and works in London UK and has a specific ministry to Muslims. During the question and answer session, somebody asked him why he chose to have such an aggressive approach (He basically stands on a soap box at the speakers corner and challenges anybody within earshot to a debate… he’s been assaulted several times while doing this, by the way) when reaching out to the Muslim people in his area and his answer was an unbelievable eye opener for me.
He said that many Muslims have lost their respect for Christianity because of the pussy-footed approach that Christians have when dealing with culture and other religions. They say that Islam is for MEN and Christianity is for women… meaning that Islam is powerful and Christianity is gutless.
He said that many – especially the growing number of radicals – are unresponsive to us because they cannot respect a spineless religion. He said that in trying to reach out to these new immigrant cultures, the church was forgetting that you do not reach out to them the way you would do for a post-Christian European. The tactics would have to dramatically change if you were to even get them to listen to you.
He basically picked the words out of my mouth when he said that the church has to be less Canadian and be more Christian. The church should not find its identity first in its ethnic heritage, but rather in Christ so that like Paul, you can become all things to all men – speak with relevant authority to a multiplicity of cultures – so that some may be saved.
This spoke deeply to me because one of the fundamental questions I have had lingering in my mind for the modern church in North America is what they are doing to reach out to the growing population of immigrants in their neighborhoods. Most of these people are not afraid to have discussions about spiritual issues because many of them come from cultures that are deeply religious. Most of them are not threatened by passionate expressions of worship because they come from cultures that are comfortable with passion and expression. Most of them do not need the bible to be overly explained because their native languages share a lot in common with the symbolism with which much of scripture was written. This, therefore, means that the ways you would craft your services or gatherings to meet the needs of a primarily Canadian-thinking (defined above) group of people would have to be altered if you said you really cared about making your worship moments accessible to more than just one culture.
It is a tough cookie to swallow, but the truth of the matter is that for many churches like ours that are situated in communities like the one we are in, there is a significant number of songs, worship tools and methods of communication that have to be abandoned in the pursuit of an increasingly multicultural church. These changes have to be systemic and not just a re-dressing of a community that remains at heart fundamentally homogeneous because a culture clash is inevitable and the leaders and facilitators of worship have to be prepared to navigate these treacherous waters. This is the wildcard in the discussion that has come out of the article that I shared because Mr. Holock represents a post-modern, post-Christian Canadian. However both of these are terms that are irrelevant when you try to speak about sociological, cultural and spiritual shifts in countries/continents that are not Europe or North America (US and Canada specifically) and therefore represented by the growing immigrant populations in our churches and communities.
I once sat under the teaching of a gentleman I consider to be a great visionary and a deep thinker about matters concerning the church. He said that Canada is rapidly approaching a tipping point where demographically, we shall have moved from the concept of being a mosaic to actually living it out and this is going to affect politics (because of the immigrant representation and voting power), suburban culture (because of the increasing wealth and growing population of recent immigrants in the suburbs), and cultural and financial trends (because of the shift in dominant representation from a largely Caucasian representation to a multi ethnic first and second generation of Canadians not familiar with previous trends). His charge to us was that we had to stop being a reactionary church and recognize that this tipping point is imminent and therefore make changes within our corporate worship encounters and general church business with this in mind. From the kind of examples he was giving, it was clear that there would have to be a re-writing of pretty much every program in the church (children, youth, young adults, adult and seniors ministries… in evangelism, discipleship, worship and fellowship). But not just the programs, but the DNA (NOT doctrine!!) of the churches.
Most churches are forced to change their modus operandi when it is undeniable that contemporary culture has moved on and that their current tools are useless in connecting to it because they were afraid to rock the boat when change SHOULD have been made. Many churches sadly do not survive this (either because they refuse to change or because they change too late) and the shrinking of the evangelical church in Canada is a testament to this unfortunate truth.
I am therefore convinced that the discussion about improvements or alterations to our worship service/corporate worship moments cannot happen within the bubble of a culture that is ethnically homogeneous because that bubble is not truly representative of the multiplicity of cultures in which we exist. One culture might be reserved, while another is expressive. One might have deep spiritual roots, while another may have forgotten its spiritual heritage. One culture may embrace moral relativism more freely than another and one culture may have a totally opposite take on social justice than another. In one culture, women may be the heads of society while in another, men dominate the women.
Try as we might, the truth of the matter is that we all interact with Christianity, matters of faith, and general spirituality through the paradigm of the culture that we represent. As facilitators of worship at Woodvale, therefore, we have to be wise in our pursuit to create moments that more than just one cultural or ethnic group can feel comfortable in. Part of the reason I am increasingly selective about the advice that I receive about how things should be done at Woodvale is because I have started to see that most times, the so-called “advice” I am receiving is based on a preference that might alienate a significant section of our congregation or visitors. As such, I have started to ask these advice givers about how they think their suggestions might affect the worship experience of more than one cultural group in an attempt to show them that the family to which we belong is no longer homogeneous.
So I would like to invite more discussion about how things could improve here, but I would like all responses from this point on to take into account the real and present multicultural situation we find ourselves in – not just as a congregation that represents over 60 nations, but as a church existing in a community that is increasingly representative of the nations of the world. You have to ask yourself whether the things you think should be altered, discarded, improved, or changed shall be relevant in a multicultural Woodvale or not. One last thing… I am looking for discussion that goes beyond tokenism and novelty.
Let’s talk!
13 comments:
WOW! WOW! WOW! – AWESOME!
Okay, here is my take on the article and your thoughts; I for one do not believe that we need to prove our authenticity to anyone. I am who I am, and if I have to do something extra because Mr. or Mrs . so and so will be offended, then to me that is living a ‘fake’ life. I can only change if I believe it will benefit me and the rest of the world, and also if I am led to do so.
We live in a fallen world, and we cannot please everybody, I find that no matter what you do anyway (whether right or wrong) people are going to find something wrong with it. Worship this way! Don’t worship this way! Do this! Don’t do that! Can we play this type of music! Oh no, that’s boring, let’s switch to this! It never ends huh? I am guilty of that as well, but I am also working on improving myself, not because I want to please anybody or I want the approval of anybody, but because I WANT TO - PERIOD!
Pastor Paulo, you may get many suggestions as to what to do and what not to do to improve Woodvale’s worship ministry, however, If you do one and not do the other, you are still going to offend at least one person. So, my opinion is TO DO AS THE SPIRIT LEADS YOU! You are a worship facilitator - listen to your group, the church or whoever has suggestions; take each suggestion and use it (again) as the HOLY SPIRIT leads you, then present it the way you know best. Let’s not focus on trying to fix Mr. Holock . The church is a place for ‘people like him’ and us. It is a house for the ‘broken’ and the ‘confused’ (which we all are sometimes). Whether we agree or not, we are somehow in our own strange way similar to him.
After we spend time in church every Sunday, I am pretty sure some of us still go about doing our own things – whether right or wrong, we do our best and as we feel THE SPIRIT LEADS US. However we come back the next Sunday praising and worshiping God, it is not because HE loves us more than the ‘Mr. Holock’s type’, that we are accepted ‘JUST THE WAY WE ARE’, but by HIS special GRACE and MERCY. Mr. Holock gave his candid opinion about Woodvale, I read it, I too was VERY offended, but then I said to myself – if we do not have ‘people like him’ in this world, then that means the world will be a boring place (if you know what I mean:-). Such is life and there are just some things we as human beings do not have control over. We try our best, but still sometimes our best is still not enough. I for one know that the devil does not like peace, love, joy, or anything that is good, so what does he do? He tries his hardest to knock people off their feet and create confusion. Mr. Holock was probably sent to create confusion, but confusion in a good way because though I saw his article as an attack (hey, I could be wrong) rather than for change, I somehow believe that this is a wake-up call for Woodvale as there may be some things that needs improvement that had been overlooked for some time. However, I don’t want to change the way I do things just because I was attacked for who I am, I want to change only if I know and believe the change is approved by the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF and HE shows me it is for the good of everybody else.
I was born and raised Catholic; my mom is still Catholic, and I Pentecostal, she still sends me the rosary, the books etc. I recently visited ‘her church’ and found myself (almost immediately) judging as I walked into the church. I saw my mom bow in front of the alter before she sat down - things that I used to do, now became strange to me. The first time I went, I said I was not going back because to me I felt it was all routine and “staged”, I looked around and felt pity for the members (please don’t ask me why?) I can’t even tell you why, but I just did. I felt like I needed to teach them about my ‘PENTECOSTAL’ ways. I was bored at the service because no one was jumping around as I was used to in the Pentecostal church, and because of this, I missed out on the message of the day. I changed my mind and decided to follow my mom the second time, this time, I bowed in the presence of the Lord just like her before sitting, the music for some reason this time sounded wonderful (even though no one was jumping around:-), I looked around and saw people worshiping God the way they knew best or maybe I should say the way they were taught? I actually ended up paying attention to the priest and believe it or not got a great message out of his sermon. What’s my point? I believe we cannot control what people will say or think about us, we can only control how we react to it. Also, we cannot change anyone one unless they are willing to change themselves. No matter what we do or do not do differently at Woodvale, if Mr. Holock or ‘people like him’ do not like it, there is really nothing we can do about it. When I went back to the Catholic Church where I was raised, I did the same thing, I judged the whole church, but I only changed because the spirit told me to have an open mind and I obeyed. I could have just ended it after my first visit, but then I would have missed out on a great sermon. I thought to myself, if I always run away from the ‘other people’ for being different, is that not showing indifference? Are we not supposed to show unconditional love and acceptance? (I hope I made sense?)
This is not all about Mr Holock…….Mr. Holock will still have his opinion unless the HOLY SPIRIT intervenes in his life and he is willing to let HIM! Nevertheless, we should try to LOVE AND ACCEPT HIM just as he is. We are also grateful for his eye-opener article about Woodvale which really got everyone to sit up and truly look around. The church is so diverse, and so the question now is - what can we all do to accommodate that diversity? Keep in mind that even if we played different music from the different nations at Woodvale; some people are still going to be ‘offended’. But is it what our Lord wants? If so, I personally welcome it!
P/S: One suggestion from me though is that I would like to see more of the drums being played and more people dancing:-)
Be blessed.
C
I would like to know who "C" is so that there is no anonymous responding on the blog. The reason I would like to know who everybody is, is to make sure that we all know who initiated what discussion.
Please... no "Anonymous" responses. Sign your name after your response. Thanks!
Did you read part 2 of my response? I talk a little about my take on people that are cynical, hostile, indifferent, or disinterested and make mention of the fact that there is NOTHING we can do to make such people change their mind about the church from INSIDE a worship service.
I am therefore not really looking to have a discussion about that group of people. I am looking to have a discussion about creating God-honoring and God-connecting moments for people that are on a spiritually searching, and growing journey (Christian or non-Christian) within our multi-generational, multi-ethnic fellowship and community.
I am not looking for suggestions based on preference (FYI, if you did not know this, I do not lead our worship services or select elements for it based on my personal preference) and like I said, I am not looking for superficial re-dressing. I would like to have a discussion about deep, fundamental improvements/alterations if any can be found through such discussion.
Paulo
Hi Paulo!
I'm pretty much a second generation immigrant to Canada - and have mostly been influenced by the prim and proper. However, as my relationship grows with God, so does my worship, and I would love to bust a move at times! Sometimes I do!! Then I miss Anna's lead or bump into the person beside me.
I simply find myself overcome with joy. Not because of my culture, I don't think!! I wonder, Paulo, is it about ethnicity or is it about freedom to worship? I do get your point, though! I have been encouraged to bust a move from time to time from my African and Carribean friends!! (you know who you are!!), and that some cultures have more expressive experiences with worship, and it does open the door for worshiping freely.
If I had my druthers, I'd love to see every color and joyfilled move coming out! It's a bit daunting for me and I'm sure for others! But wow!! What a worship service that would be!!
Love MaryPat
MaryPat, I think that both can influence our response... our ethnic/cultural background and the freedom of expression it allows AND also the freedom that we allow ourselves to have.
I have come across very reserved worshippers from my tribe, which by the way, encourages expression, speaking your mind, passion, etc. Just ask any Ugandan about the Bakiga. They'll tell you. Similarly, I have come across very expressive and exuberant English (from UK) worshippers who generally have a culture of muted expression. I think that there's an element of personal choice in expression of exuberance and passion in worship, but our ethnic heritage/cultural heritage DEFINITELY have a part to play in influencing us one way or another.
I'm curious, though, to know what you think we could do to improve/adjust/change our worship experience understanding that our fellowship is a mosaic of cultures.
The first part of your blog Paulo, mentioned how we need not be offended by Mr. H because we should be proud of Woodvale and who we are as a church. I agree with you that we shouldn’t be offended, but I agree for different reasons. If you look at the vast number of Christians out there today who claim to be the real deal, you’ll find that most of them lead double lives, and are in fact not genuine Christians at all. Sadly, this is the view that a lot of people have of us as Christians – we are one thing on a Sunday morning and another as soon as those church doors swing open at 12:00 when the service finishes. The church (speaking in the sense of the building and not the true meaning of the word “church”) is not the place where we prove how genuine we are. I’m always skeptical when I see Christians bouncing off the walls on a Sunday morning, yet through the week they’re in crummy moods, short with those around them and really not being the best examples of Christ’s love. If we are truly that passionate about God, that in worshipping him we feel that we need to express it in a lot of the charismatic ways we sometimes see at Woodvale, this passion should also carry over into the rest of our lives. THIS is why we should not be offended about what Mr. H said – he doesn’t know any of us outside of our Sunday morning worship service and if he does, well, then maybe we should be checking ourselves and see if the passion we revel in on Sunday morning follows us through the week.
Next I’m going to get into something perhaps a little more controversial, and say that a worship service should not be catered by any means to a non-believer, because regardless of what kind of experience they want to have, a non-believer can’t worship God. I believe the church (again as the building) is a place for the building up, encouraging and equipping of believers. Your evangelism should be done outside the church. We should definitely be welcoming to non-believers, but we can’t be catering to them during our service (as harsh as that might sound). This thought in a way links in my mind to what you mentioned about informing people about your family before you bring them over. If you are bringing people into Woodvale (and although I realize that Mr. H came in on his own) and they leave as uninformed as Mr. H was, then that is the fault of the member of the congregation and that is completely outside of the scope of the worship facilitator or pastor.
I think that the part I just talked about kind of relates to your 1st and 2nd parts, but the next part fits into your part 3. Throughout university I was a part of a ministry called campus for Christ (c4c). Each year c4c sends hundreds of students to various countries around the world to share the gospel and be salt and light to a dying people. I have experienced first hand how different cultures respond to God. Tanzania happens to be one of the countries c4c partners with. Here the spiritual realm is really well known. Not only is there a vast display of Christians who worship in very charismatic ways, but even the non-believers know the spiritual realm, which is proven by the vast number of demon possessions and witch doctors that have been encountered there. On the other side of the spectrum, one of the closed Asian countries that c4c partners with does not experience much of any of this. Here the predominant idea is that there is no God, therefore there isn’t much knowledge of the spiritual realm, and Satan does not need to use this means to hold people captive. Now, when we see immigrants from both cultures coming to Woodvale, it’s no wonder that the worship experience is going to be quite different for both.
This is where a little bit of my frustration comes out. I believe that Woodvale is the type of church that allows for a lot of freedom in the area of worship. As long as you’re worshipping in a way that you’re feeling led to (aside from playing your tambourine ;)) it’s fair game. I for one get really frustrated with people who go to a church like Woodvale’s, don’t like the kind of music that’s going on and say they can’t worship because of it. I am of the opinion that the changes, if any, that need to be made about Woodvale worship is not the responsibility of the worship facilitator, but of the individuals in the congregation. Often times we have this agenda of telling what the right way to worship is. Is there really a wrong way? As long as what you’re doing is focused on God and not yourself and out of a sincere heart to glorify him, that’s worship. What I think needs to change is we need to be more accepting of each other. I don’t speak in tongues, nor do I feel the need to run up and down the aisles on a Sunday morning, but that doesn’t mean Woodvale should change, OR that Woodvale isn’t for me. I’m really unsure as to what changing aspects of the worship service would actually do, because you’re still going to have people left out who don’t worship that way.
I have a lot of respect for the man you mentioned who welcomes and even calls out for debates amongst Muslims. I have debated with tons of Muslims – they love it! It’s SO true that they view Christians as wishy washy and unable to stand up for themselves. Good for him. This also goes along with the issue of controversial topics like homosexuality and abortion sometimes being left out of church because we don’t want to offend the non-believers in the crowd. I have been accused numerous times of being cold, offensive and un-loving because I refuse to hide my standpoint and “pussyfoot” around it. I adore Pastor Mark for not worrying about offending people. This again goes along with my point about not worrying that you’re going to offend the non-believers in the crowd. (We’ll win them in how we live our lives. Then they’ll actually see we’re not heartless people who don’t want women to be able to choose or to see homosexual men and women live happy lives).
As long as we’re not hindering anyone from worshipping God how they want, I don’t think anything needs to change. My only suggestion – Could we possibly be more open??? I don’t know. Woodvale is thriving as a multicultural AND multigenerational church, we have not compromised our integrity to a postmodern view and we haven’t hidden our true selves in the close. Now that I read back on my whole post, I think I was suffering from some verbal diarrhea, but maybe you can sift through it and find something that makes sense.
Heather,
I think you have to tread carefully when you make authoritative statements about the state of people's walk with God. Aren't the people that are exuberant and emotional in worship more prone to mood swings during the week? Think about it. David in the bible is a great example of somebody that would swing from wildly dancing in the streets and losing his clothes to somebody that was quite depressed. Interestingly, the people that tend to be muted in worship tend to be muted generally in life and a superficial snapshot of their lives may make it seem like their docile and non-aggressive behavior is more Christ-like, but what do we know except for what we see? I personally do not think that being in a crummy mood or being short with people is a read on the status of my relationship with Jesus... I once saw a shirt that had the phrases: "Please be patient with me my friend. God is not through with me yet!" How true that is! The process of becoming Christlike is not instantaneous and we who walk this road of redemption and relationship with Jesus should be the most understanding of the fact that the doctor comes for those that are sick.
I do not think that your comment (second paragraph) was controversial. I have often wondered that myself. As you will note from my second entry, as a community, I think we have our focus in our corporate worship moments right. We gather together for the primary purpose of communion with God and communion with one another. I do not think that this is something that was just pulled out of thin air. The corporate worship gatherings of the israelites were a closed event to non-jews because it was considered to be a moment of connection with God and his people. If people turn to christ or seek the opportunity to do so in our services, there is room for it, but it is not the primary reason why we gather together.
Was that a side swipe about the tambourine? DO NOT GET ME STARTED!!!
about paragraph 3 above, If we view worship not just as an individual connection between God and a person, but also as a corporate encounter between God and his CHURCH, the triviality of personal preference has to die. No? It is difficult to go against our individualistic indoctrination when we are seated in our worship services, but I think that part of becoming Christ-like and accepting our identity in him is also being able to see that your relationship with him is not just a relationship between 2 individuals, but also includes the body of christ in your local fellowship and also in the world! See my comments after MaryPat's submission in part 2
What do you mean by being "more open"?
I find it frustrating when you admonish us to be less "Canadian" in our worship. I am a Canadian, and I am doing my best to worship the Lord. I don't know how to become something else when I worship.
I was taught from a fairly young age that as a worshipper, it is my responsibility to worship God no matter what the service is like. I have had lots of opportunities to practice this! :-) (It's not that I don't notice when things are not the way I like them, I just choose to refocus back on the Lord.)
So maybe I don't have anything to offer in this discussion, because I am part of the "traditional" Canadian culture.
I find it interesting that the week after you posted the "article" in question that you were lead to post a video and lyrics to a song called.... Simply Put.
"So I relinquish all my witty observations
Leave my so called sacred knowledge at the door
When You died You answered every single question
You said You love me
You like me
And I am Yours
I am Yours"
What a statement. There is no magic formula for worship. That is unless you consider the truth that we only need to offer up our thanksgiving to our Father a "magic formula"
I think that is the underlying problem we are facing. We get so caught up in the feelings of everyone involved that we lose sight of our true goal, WORSHIPING OUR CREATOR, our father and our saviour Jesus. (Don't get me wrong, I know we have to respect the facts of a multi-generational, mulicultural group)
I remember something that happened during highschool that I apply to this. I only accepted comments about the way in which I played from my coach. I played on a very competitive team. If we didn't win the city championship, it was failure. Newspaper articles, television stories,pressure like that could have ruined us as teenagers, except for our coach. He was demanding of us, wanted our best, but if anyone attacked us he would protect each of us as if we were his flesh and blood.
I use this philosophy in my worship leading as well. Apart from being lead by the SPIRIT, I will try to only listen to comments that come from Pastor Mark, Pastor Paulo, or members of my team. These people know what our goals are. They know the struggles and work involved in doing what we do. We make sacrifices to serve in this area, and we are servants.
I truly believe that the spirit of the church flows from the top down. Like you said the songs we sing are not your choice. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the songs we have, are selected based on the spirit that is presently moving in our house. That spirit comes from the Lord, through the messages Pastor Mark brings, and through the songs we select.
There will always be people that are in your ear, telling you good and bad. To much of the good and you lose focus, to much of the bad and you lose confidence.
I hope that I have not over simplified this, I know that worship has always been a hot button topic.
Look at King David.
Look at Kirk Franklin. Love him or not he has done lots of things to further music in the christian circles. And he has lots of critics.
SO...
I guess, from my standpoint I have to say this as far as change is concerned.
If you look at where we are now, compared to where we were when the new sanctuary opened, we have evolved greatly. We are in a never ending state of change, and that is good.
Our music has changed, and I hope it continues to do so.
Let me say this last thing because if I write anything else I'll have to start my own blog....
This article made a strong point that we have overlooked. Churches in this country, IN THIS CITY, have closed their doors. Some have seperated from head offices, and are in a state of disorder, but as the article says...We are growing. That is because we have chosen o do one thing and one thing only...we have decided to be stand on the word of God and do what it requires of us. I will never apologize for that.
Thanks,
Doug
P.S " We need more tambourine"
Renee,
i am sorry that the words I have chosen to use have caused you frustration.
Before I say anything else, I want to go on record as having said that I LOVE CANADIANS and I love Canadian culture and history. I love that we are a semi-polite nation filled with extremely generous, socially conscious and environmentally responsible people. I absolutely love that we are not a country that shouts at the world and I love that anybody from any part of the world is welcome to make Canada their home. I also love that I am Canadian even though I spent most of my life to date living in Uganda. As much as I struggle through winter, there is no other place that I would rather be than right here. I feel called here, I love working here and God has put his love in my heart for all things Canadian. Basically, you had me at "poutine". LOL! Plus, some may not know that I was actually born in St Catherines ON... but I digress.
Allow me to provide some clarity about the comment to be "less Canadian". I believe that I used the term within the specific context of evangelistic outreach in my most recent blog entry, but I do realize that in the past I have used the phrase in the context of facilitation of corporate worship encounters.
Each one of us has a cultural heritage that influences the way we talk, walk, interact with one another and even with our faith. Even though we first interact with matters of faith through the lens of our cultural heritage, there comes a point (through discipleship and growing in your relationship with Christ) where a shift should happen - a shift that causes us to see ourselves as Christians FIRST and then whatever else second. What unfortunately happens sometimes is that we (I am speaking about pastors and teachers in this case) neglect to highlight this teaching and so our cultural heritage can sometimes act as a deterrent to the growth of our relationship with Christ or a deeper place of worship... or even a wedge that fragments fellowship instead of being a shared celebration point about the wonder that people of every nation and color can be grafted into the family of God - that the message of Salvation through Jesus Christ can be deeply meaningful and powerful across the globe.
When I was in Uganda, I used to tell the Ugandans that they needed to be "less Ugandan" and more Christian. There is a lot about Ugandan culture that seems to align itself with Christianity and because there is a high saturation of Christians in contemporary culture, the lines that clearly separate Christianity and the freedom we have in Christ from culture have been blurred. As I grew in my faith, I found that I was in fellowship with an extremely legalistic group of people that had come up with rigid rules as to how we would worship, interact with one another and with culture that were actually not based on anything scriptural, but actually had their roots in Ugandan culture. I felt that I needed to speak up about this because it became apparent to me that I had not really entered into a liberating relationship with Christ, but rather I had continued my struggle with a legalistic heritage that had slapped on a Christian badge. Because the lines between being Ugandan and being Christian had been blurred so much, it was nigh impossible to have a level-headed discussion about any of the rules and regulations we had because it was assumed that challenging them was challenging the word of God when in fact it was not (at least in my understanding). So I coined the phrase "We have to be less Ugandan and become more Christian". I did not just come up with it when I moved to Canada... heh! :)
I was therefore saying essentially the same thing in Uganda that I say here. When cultural heritage starts to compete with a full, meaningful expression of worship or our relationship with Jesus, whether we are Canadians or Ugandans, we need to choose to identify with our Christian citizenship and less with our earthly citizenship. Finding identity in Christ allows us to become like Paul (like I mentioned in the blog) who said that he became all things to all men so that he could save some. Essentially, he found in-roads into the various cultures and communities he visited and found ways to make Jesus come alive to them, but he still retained his identity in Christ without adulterating it with the various cultures that he interacted with. (Theologians, this is your cue to dispute, school me, or pat me on the back for my growing understanding of scripture)
Renee, I actually think that your entry is an excellent example of what I am talking about. Regardless of your cultural upbringing that may (or may not... I do not know) required you to act or be one way or another, there was a clear teaching that you received that showed that you could worship God regardless of the quality of music, venue of gathering or mode of fellowship. This teaching showed that you can have a deeply meaningful worship experience that is not encumbered by societal pressure to be either significantly muted or over-the-top expressive or whatever the in-between is that culture dictates. Your teaching showed you that you can find an authentic and meaningful personal expression of worship that was not threatened/influenced by external factors. This is an excellent example of transcending "Canadian-ness".
I am sure that you have heard me say from time to time that there are some people for whom the most expressive sign of exuberance is that they are tapping the pew in front of them. Other people are at the other end of the spectrum or somewhere in-between... I am persuaded that our worship moments (corporate and individual) should be exuberant, expressive and authentic regardless of where we are on the spectrum, and above the influence of our cultural heritage. Which is why as ask the people who tap the pews to TAP THEM! Those that feel inclined to shampoo the spirit through their hair should feel free to do so as well.
I think that we could learn a lot more from your example because it is exactly what I am referring to when I talk about that. My comments should not frustrate/discourage you. Perhaps I should have explained more. I am sorry that they were a source of frustration
I hope that this clears it up... let me know.
Doug,
How about more cowbell?
I am willing to have the tambourine (and any other percussive instrument for that matter) in church as long as the instrumentalist is willing to come for practice.
If somebody just started playing a trombone or shofar in our service whenever they randomly felt like it, we would be justified in asking them to come to practice so that their instrument is not a distraction.
You know that I am a more-is-more kind of guy. I am up for including any instrument in our worship gatherings as long as they come for practice.
Hey, if David did it in the bible (1 Corinthians 25), it's good enough for me.
Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. Of course your mood swings have nothing to do with your relationship with God. I was referring to someone who is exuberant and seems to really love God and worshipping Him, yet in their daily life, for lack of a better word, is an ass, ALL the time. This does not portray a sincere love for God, OR it shows that there is something seriously wrong, but at the very least it draws non-believers away from God. I sure wouldn't want to become a Christian if it means I'm going to act like that. I actually think that going through times where you're depressed or in a bad mood can be a real testament to close friends around you because they get to see that as a Christian you don't have this happy-go-lucky, pain, worry free life, but you have a God who is there to pick you back up and put you on your feet again.
And LOL about the tambourine!!! It was meant as a joke. I agree with you 100% that instruments should not be randomly played in the congregation. I also believe, as I know you do, that people should be able to express their worship in a variety of ways. I think it's important to require someone wanting to do this to attend a practice. So no side swipe, lol.
Yes, personal preference does have to die, which is why we need to become tolerant of the way people around us worship. I'm not saying that one needs to change their worship patterns to go along with the change that is happening in the church. This goes out to you Renee. I have SO much respect for people who are still able to get intimate and worship God in a setting where worship is conducted, or people around them are worshiping in a manner that is different from how they worship. One of MY biggest frustrations is when people say they can't worship because of what's going on around them. I say props to your parents for teaching you the value in focusing in on God regardless of what's happening around you. What would happen if someday our prime minister decided that he was going to pass some crazy law that all musical instruments were forbidden in Canada. Would those who are familiar with a fast paced worship setting like Woodvale's stop being able to worship in a corporate setting?? I pray for their sake that the answer is no. There are times when I come in on a Sunday morning and hate the songs that are being sung, but in no way does that hinder my ability to worship God. I'll be the first to admit that things that went on around me at Woodvale use to be a HUGE distraction and I use to have the "things should not be done this way" attitude. BUT as I learned to be more accepting of people and how they feel led to worship their king, AND realize that for me to be just as passionate I don't need to worship in the same way, THEN I was able to learn to focus in on God regardless of the hoopla going on around me.
THIS is what I meant about being more open. I didn't really mean in from a worship facilitator standpoint. I meant in as the congregation being more open. One of the reasons a lot of people leave the current church they're worshiping at is because so many denominations have pretty strict rules about how you can worship. The instant someone put boundaries on how I could worship God, I think I would be gone too. I'm not surprised in the least that we see Woodvale thriving.
This is interesting coming from me since i'm a HUGE reformed thinker, but a lot of reformed churches has rules against speaking in tongues, raising your hands, and even the instruments that should be played during worship. I think this is doing much more harm than good.
I always worry that what I write doesn't make sense... I hope it does haha.
Paulo! Until this morning, I didn't know how to put into words the answer to this question you posed back to me/us..."I'm curious, though, to know what you think we could do to improve/adjust/change our worship experience understanding that our fellowship is a mosaic of cultures."
You expressed what has been on my heart when you gave your own jazz flavour to worship this morning. Not only was your freedom of expression allowed, you allowed yourself that freedom of expression! I revisited a taste of the exhuberance we experienced with Alvin Slaughter in the house - from Alvin AND from you ...and the choir! There is something different about our attitude in these experiences. There is an air of celebration in our worship that goes beyond anything we can understand, and it overflows a contagion of attitude!
Last choir call, as Anna was lining us up, she commented on how we were getting ready as though we were going on for a special event - the reality is we were - we do! We stand before the King every time we step out in worship, with the Heavens open and angels bowing before Him - whether we are in choir/worship team/sound, etc..., or in the congregation, or in our office or basement typing blog responses on a Sunday afternoon! When I remember this - my attitude changes! And every expression of praise is beautiful! Every expression that is sincerely for Him - whether lively with dancing and drumming or jazzed and gritty!
Paulo, that's as concrete a response as I can give!
God bless your heart that is so deeply immersed in Him, that He can so faithfully use you to further His Kingdom!
MaryPat
Thank you, Paulo, for addressing my comments so well. After I sent my post, I realized that I was really looking for a clarification of what you meant, and you gave exactly that.
It seems to me that people need help to grow. We can talk to them about what they should do, but if we want them to really do it, then we have to take the time to walk them through it. Like when Pastor Mark a few Sundays ago encouraged us to shout to the Lord, but he didn't just stop after a few seconds, instead he waited until people realized that he was really releasing them to go for it.
I would like to see people be encouraged to "tarry" at the altar and wait until there is a breakthrough. But that won't happen unless we are prepared to wait along with them.
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